Dear Kamahl
I was disappointed following our meeting to hear of your change of mind. I would like to ask where the information you are accessing is coming from and if you are willing to share it so that I might better provide advice.
I watched your appearance on The Project and disagreed with the reasons you gave. I note however you have taken issue with the way the interview was presented. I have also since seen your Tweet claiming you are correct about the $40 billion and that the Voice is divisive.
I have attempted to address the issues you have raised publicly and in conversation with me below. Those being that the Voice is racist and or divisive and that $40 billion is spent on Indigenous people.
I believe you are misinformed on both. I understand it would be easy to dismiss my opinion otherwise. I have provided links to sources where appropriate. I should note however that I am an expert in Indigenous affairs, but I do also have a personal interest as I explained to you when we met. I am dedicated, personally, to the Voice and a successful referendum because of my grandmother who will be 93 this year and both of my children, Arthur who is 3 years old and Alfred who is 7 months. I want my nan to see in her lifetime what was stripped from her and denied, and I don’t want my children having to fight so hard for their recognition and ability to drive change in 30 years’ time.
We can and should be doing better.
While I do belong to the Uluru Dialogue that is one of the groups advocating for a Yes vote, I do so because I am a constitutional law expert and an expert more broadly in Indigenous affairs with academic appointments at the Griffith Law School, Griffith University in Brisbane and at the Indigenous Law Centre, UNSW Sydney in Sydney.
As you noted in our meeting – heart and mind, and for me I am committed entirely through both.
I have been part of the team over the past six years that has developed the Voice model and has been working toward this referendum. As I have mentioned to you, I am more than happy to answer your questions. When you say there must be a better way forward it is important for me to note that the Voice is the result of decades of careful work and advocacy by the Indigenous community. Some will say this is not true, others will claim not all agree – but that is what democracy is about, and the overwhelming majority of the Indigenous community do agree with and support the Voice (you can find out more at our website UluruStatement.org).
And my apologies you have received abuse and criticism. I wish it wasn’t like this either, but I will never apologise for advocating for a better future and recognition for my people and for our country. Too many others have taken this as an opportunity to execute political arguments and games rather than do something substantive for this country and our people. I hope that through some of this information you can see that.
Claims the Voice is racist and divisive
The Voice debate has become divisive.
But that, in my opinion, is not because of the Voice itself, or because of Indigenous claims – how could Indigenous people themselves advocating for the recognition and protection of our rights and issues be divisive in and of itself? I really struggle to accept this other than for what it reveals about those opposing that claim and calling it divisive (more broadly here, the official No campaign).
This advocacy does not mean we are not Australian or that we do not want to be Australian, or that we want to drive a division – but it does mean we want our legitimate history, rights and issues as Indigenous people recognised and celebrated as part of what makes Australia what it is, that we want real change.
In my opinion, division is being caused because people, including the Coalition and others in the formal No campaign, have decided to oppose the Voice and make it a divisive issue for their political gain. We discussed the nature of politicians and their reasons when we met – I should say as far as I am concerned this applies to politicians of all stirpes.
I should note however this is not and should never have been made a partisan political issue – prominent members of the current Coalition Opposition support the Voice including Julian Leeser (here), Bridget Archer (here), Andrew Bragg (here) and Andrew Gee (here), along with former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull (here), former Leader of the Liberals John Hewson (here), and four former Liberal Indigenous Affairs Ministers including Ken Wyatt (here), Fred Cheney, Ian Viner and Peter Baume (here). The current NSW Liberal Party and Opposition Leader Mark Speakman (here) also supports the Voice, as do former Liberal Premiers of NSW including Barry O’Farrel (here), Gladys Berejiklian (here) and Mike Baird (here) among many others.
The argument the Voice is divisive is coming from those opposed to it, opposed for multiple reasons that are not entirely clear but include personal political gain. This notably includes the likes of Pauline Hanson among many others. The truth however is far from this.
The Voice is about overcoming 235 years (since 1788, the arrival of the First Fleet) of racism and division by recognising the place, rights and interests of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples as the Indigenous people of Australia by providing them a say on the decisions made about them. That is it. It doesn’t cause inequality, it doesn’t provide additional rights, it doesn’t take anything away, it doesn’t change the makeup of parliament or the value of our vote. It simply recognises a fact of our history and existence, recognises the rights of Indigenous people which have been ignored for too long, and enables Indigenous people to be heard on the decisions made about them – nothing more, no separate laws.
The Voice very simply will be an independent, but constitutionally protected, advisory body in recognition of Indigenous people. It must be protected because government has a habit of ignoring Indigenous people and removing mechanisms for our voices to be heard when they don’t agree with us. That does not make for a healthy relationship. We need a mechanism to negotiate – not to be ignored. The Voice provides the long overdue recognition that is much needed but also provides Indigenous people a say on the decisions that are uniquely made about us. Government decisions uniquely impact us because of our status as Indigenous people and because of the entrenched inequality and disadvantage that too many Indigenous people continue to face because of continued failed policies to make change.
With regard to race more specifically, the Voice simply is not based on “race”. Race is a myth, confused and conflated with ethnicity and culture, that has been used to oppress and negatively target others as you well understand from your own history of experience. Race and racism have been used since 1788 to deny the rights, interests and issues of Indigenous people in Australia. This was originally because the British claimed that Indigenous people were an inferior race and did not have an interest in their land or property. These attitudes set in motion a series of generational policies and actions that continue to impact Indigenous people today and have set generations of Indigenous people back. This was somewhat rectified by the landmark Mabo judgment in 1992 that recognised the ongoing native title rights of Indigenous people, but this was only very limitedly about property rights. We have made other strides with positive polices to support Indigenous people and change Australian attitudes, but much more remains to be done. Those arguing the Voice is race based and racist would use race and racism to deny Indigenous people again as they did in 1788. This is wrong in principle and fact.
There are those that continue to claim the Voice is based on race however and that it would insert “race” into our constitution. One such person that has made this claim is Australian Human Rights Commissioner Lorraine Finlay. This has been challenged by many, many more experts, including five former Human Rights Commissioners that include Brian Burdekin, Chris Sidoti, Graeme Innes, Catherine Branson and Edward Santow (here). The Constitution already mentions race – because of our racist history (the White Australia Policy) and because of the Race Power (s 51(26)) that enables the Commonwealth to make laws based on race (amended in 1967 to include Indigenous people within its scope).
Further to this, the Voice and Indigenous recognition is not based on “race”, it is based on the fact Indigenous peoples are political and cultural entities and that we have unique rights and interests as Indigenous people. The only thing causing division here is the continued denial of these rights and issues and for the simple ability for our voices to be heard. The Voice is about unity – it is about setting our course toward a better future in recognition of our history, of our unique rights and interests. Voting No means accepting the status quo. Chin Tan, Australia’s Race Discrimination Commissioner made this point very clearly where he wrote that the Voice would lead to less inequality and that is not racist (here).
There is another point more broadly here about “equality”. Some have argued the Voice gives more rights to some citizens over others and therefore causes inequality. I disagree with this too, as do most experts. That is for several reasons. Firstly, we are not dealing with “citizenship rights”. We are dealing the legitimate rights, issues, and interests of Indigenous people, which exist and are recognised in international law, but that Australia has not done a good job of recognising and protecting because of our history of denial and exclusion. Further, equality doesn’t simply mean treating everyone the same and ignoring their real, legitimate differences. That is not equality. Equality means meeting people where they are. Equality means extending the rule of law and its protection to Indigenous rights, interests, and issues where it has been denied before.
Again, I ask you, please consider why those who claim the Voice is divisive are making the claim they are. What do they mean? How could it be divisive? How divisive is it to say no to Indigenous people and to continue to deny Indigenous Australians?
That $40 billion is spent on Indigenous people, Indigenous programs or is given to Indigenous people
I note you have doubled down on this claim after The Project and have since Tweeted about it. We discussed this in our meeting also, albeit we did not get much of a chance to go back and forth. I would like to know, if you’re willing to share, where this information is coming from. It is simply incorrect. I will address why that is below and provide sources. My apologies for the technical nature of this information.
But first a point on this. The Voice is about driving accountability and transparency in government decision making and program delivery. We know that approximately only 27% of the funding, whether that is $40 billion or not, hits the ground where it is needed. This is unacceptable. That’s why we want the Voice! Independent community representation that can’t be shut up. People say we can use the “normal channels” – we have been! And this is the result. Failure. Our relationship must change, the nature of it matters to the kind of decisions being made.
So now for the $40 billion claim.
This figure is actually very hard to pin down. The figure most keep quoting is actually from an old Indigenous Expenditure Report done in 2017 (here) that cited older data. There is not a more recent report. That report notes the figure is an estimate only and it describes how it estimates that funding and the difficulties doing so. The Productivity Commission does so by looking at “Indigenous specific expenditure” which is funding specifically for Indigenous programs, and “share of mainstream expenditure” that Indigenous people access also. The Productivity Commission then add these two figures together to produce a total amount. As you can already see from this explanation – the claim a certain amount is simply spent on, or given to, Indigenous people is incorrect.
The estimate for 2015-2016 (as I said, old data) of the total figure was $33.4 billion.
That figure includes $6 billion on “Indigenous specific expenditure” and $27.4 billion on “mainstream expenditure”. This amounts to a higher per person expenditure on Indigenous people than non-Indigenous people because, according to the Productivity Commission, of the “intensity of service use” and the “higher cost of providing services” for Indigenous people. But these are services that all Australian citizens access and are entitled to by right (hospitals, medical, police, community, infrastructure, anything you can think of).
So, what that means is due to the demographic and social issues, such as entrenched poverty and inequality, over-representation in prison, and so on, Indigenous people are more likely to access mainstream services. This is a reason for the Voice, not against it. We want accountability and transparency; we want to change this so less money is spent because those issues would eventually not exist; we want efficiency and change; we want a future where our people are not accessing those services at those rates for those reasons. But I must be very clear – that money is spent on Australian citizens accessing mainstream services, who also happen to be Indigenous.
A recent note from the Australian Parliamentary Library from the 2023-24 budget (here) provides an updated view of this. It tells us:
“Notwithstanding the significant budget commitments, total Commonwealth Indigenous-specific expenditure in portfolio budget statement (PBS) programs appears similar to the previous (October) 2022–23 budget year (approximately $5.36 billion – see Figure 1 below), not including funding for the Australian Electoral Commission to conduct the referendum.”
And what does this tell us?
Not much other than the direct, “Indigenous” programs funded by the Commonwealth are around the $5.36 billion mark in 2023-24, and we do not have a total, all of government (including the Commonwealth, states and territories) figure for 2023-24. That doesn’t make the claim otherwise true however as I have shown above funding is not provided to Indigenous people – it is taken up or expended by us accessing mainstream services like any other Australian citizen.
Some have gone further and claimed that the National Indigenous Australians Agency (the Commonwealth’s Department of Indigenous Affairs) spends that $30 billion or $40 billion themselves every year. This is false also. You can read a fact check on that here.
There is a problem with corruption and waste. Some minor issues exist in our communities, but most of it, most of the waste and mismanagement, is at the hands of government. It is exactly why we want the Voice – to hold them to account and for our communities to be heard. An example of this is the Indigenous Advancement Strategy under the last government, it was first introduced in 2014 under then Prime Minister Tony Abbott. This was the program responsible for Indigenous affairs specific funding. It was a failure. A report by the Australian National Audit Office in 2017 (here) found the following:
“the department did not effectively implement the Strategy”
“The department’s grants administration processes fell short of the standard required to effectively manage a billion dollars of Commonwealth resources.”
“The basis by which projects were recommended to the Minister was not clear and, as a result, limited assurance is available that the projects funded support the department’s desired outcomes.”
“The department did not maintain sufficient records throughout the assessment and decision-making process.”
“The review of applications identified 300 missing applications that the department had received but not registered for assessment.”
“ANAO analysis shows that some projects that were awarded a high score against the selection criteria and need score were not recommended for funding, and some low-scoring applicants were recommended. For example, 59 projects that were awarded assessment scores of 20 or below and a need score of 3 or less were recommended for funding. Further, 222 projects that were awarded assessment scores of 26 or above, and a need score of six or above were not recommended for funding.”
This is a clear example of the waste and mismanagement, and why the funding doesn’t get to where it is needed, and why we want the Voice! To drive accountability and transparency.
Not only were these things happening, and still do, but the Government was giving funding that was supposed to go toward driving change in Indigenous communities to non-Indigenous interests and people. This included Minister Nigel Scullion giving $150,000 from the Indigenous Advancement Strategy to the NT Seafood Council so they could fight against an Indigenous land claim (here). Again, the waste and failure isn’t at our end!
One of the groups pushing this claim is Fair Australia, the official No campaign. They do so in an online article here and here. Fair Australia is supported by far-right Christian groups in the USA and are attached to Trump campaign groups. This should give you concern already about the accuracy of their information. You can read more about them here.
Among Fair Australia’s claims are:
“Do we really need this divisive Voice when we're already pouring a fortune into Indigenous communities?”
“FACT: Taxpayers spend at least $100 million a day on direct support for Indigenous Australians.”
“That’s $39.5 billion of direct government expenditure a year.”
“That’s more than we spend on the NDIS ($35.5 billion), Medicare ($31.3 billion) or defence ($38 billion).”
“It’s about the same as the Federal Government’s entire spend on schools and universities ($39.7 billion).”
None of this is correct or factual, and where it does rely on some truth it is used to distort that truth and spread misinformation.
Take the $40 billion figure they claim (or $39.5 billion here). That is the figure from 2017 I discussed above of $33.4 billion that they have adjusted for inflation. It is a myth. As I addressed above it doesn’t go to services or communities as they have suggested, and the best way to drive change to spend less is through accountability and transparency through the Voice. The other figures they claim are simply false – such as the defence budget being smaller. It’s not. The 2023-24 budget papers show the defence department appropriation to be at $51 billion (here). This is just one example.
Again, these are distractions from the fundamental issue to sow doubt, confusion, and discomfort so that people will vote No. That is all. Fair Australia belongs to another group called Advance Australia. They were established to bring Trump style politics to Australia and fight what they call “woke” agendas. None of this is about what is best for our people or for our future. It is about their personal political gain and power.
I hope you have been able to read this and digest. Please reach out to me with any further questions.
Kind Regards
Eddie